Nobody whos ever advocated carrying with an empty chamber has ever explained how they were going to fight off two assailants AND chamber a round at the same time. Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. I assume the manual safety was also engaged, but such a strap on the holster sounds pretty good, as well! * It degrades my ability to respond and limits my choices, but is still far better than some choice words. Of course all of those Glock NDs were due to human error. As I mentioned elsewhere here, the trigger pull and safety mechanism are irrelevant to the *proximate* cause of any Glock discharge Im aware of. If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire. Is a cheap one as good as a safe from, say, a Liberty or Rhino? Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. There is no way to put a round in the chamber without leaving the striker cocked, and there is no safety. Or would it it take more movement of the slide to do that before an impact could trigger potential discharge? An empty chamber is worthless when you need it and fractions of a second count. The Israelis didn't invent the practice but it got the name from Israeli armed forces policy. Training is nothing more than repetition. The fact remains, we are always training. Maybe I counted wrong? Your local police do exactly that. It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. See? "The mountains are calling and I must go." Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. We can put a bullet thru the eye of a bunny sitting still but its hard to get a head shot when its running, us being the bunny. So whats up? I carry "Mexican" and don't want to end up like Plaxico Burress. Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. In the past, I've heard people say they aren't comfortable carrying a loaded firearm on them or want to just scare people away. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND ONLY ONE WAY TO CARRY A GLOCK SAFELY AND THAT IS WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER PERIOD AND THERE CAN BE ZERO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL FACULTIES AND NOT LIVING IN A NARCISSISTIC FANTASY WORLD OF GLOCK UTOPIA. What Glock Is Most Used By Law Enforcement; Who Makes The Glock 22 The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered - Intelligent Search Pro All I get is replies that they are working on it. As the saying goes, you do you. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? Then I chambered a round. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. Ehall my pistolas are chambered with the safety engaged-at home. Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. A round in the chamber | Glock Pro Forums Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. Anything is possible, which is why the smart move is to play to the best probabilities. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens.. Carried chambered until the kids came. Smh. At least the DA/SA or DAO provide a long hard trigger pull. CC with the Glock 26. How safe? - USA Carry Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. It comes down to your comfort, training and repetitive use. If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. Point the holstered G19 downrange at a target and try to fire it without removing it from the holster. If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. My Taurus G2C is DAO, restrike, and no mag safety. Options are good. They are built using the patented Safe Action System which prevents unintentional firing. At least until the computer catches up and opens multiple copies. Big Bill: Yup. The answer is "yes." Milliseconds count. The Glock 19 is one of the most popular models of Glock that is available on the market. This subject is DOA just like the OP. Think about Her all you Geniuses that sing the siren song of the Utopian world of Glock. It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. Also, had a KelTec with a pocket clip, no holster, ever, and a Glock 40 with a clip draw, and you just need the brains to have nothing else in your carry pocket, and you wont have an issue. I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. Why would anyone want only one of something? Weve beaten this dead horse enough. . It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. Here's video that GLOCK produced that explains the trigger safety. Hell, try it with a taser. Same mental disability, but different symptoms. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. I usually carry chambered with a revolver or my .25 but the trigger on my new Glock 19 is so easy I am not yet comfortable carrying chambered because there is no manual safety. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? See the old Remingtons. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. Two motions will always be quicker than four, unless one can somehow arrange to do all four simultaneously. Some extras, just in case one breaks? People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. the safety doesnt enter into it. Muscle memory is a life saver when things go adrenaline slow MO mode, and those Taurus, PT-111s, have that thumb safety where Im used to one being, the pipe is red hot, and, eyeball to eyeball, it will fire again without re-racking the rear sights on someones nose. Fuck off gov. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually become really popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. Lol. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. I own several safes, and none of them fit in my holster. Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. If thats a problem, dont carry a firearm. One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. Its common for someone to quickly raise a gun and try to shoot, just to realize the safety was in the on position keeping it from working. Is it safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber? - Quora Just saying. If the slide goes back far enough to be out of battery, then the gun will just fire out of battery. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_3',116,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-1-0');Still, I keep hearing how unsafe Glocks are, from people who have never handled one and essentially know nothing about handguns in general. Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. It worked before. I thing Mossad guys are well trained, just saying. Why the Glock Model 48 is ideal for smaller cops - Police1 WOW! Does the Glock fire then? I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. Its an unsafe design from 2 aspects, the fact that it acts much like a single action weapon with the hammer cocked back and no manual safety and it has a totally unsafe asinine take down system. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. I am thinking G2S, my ankle sometimes gets chilly, but, Im happy with my PA-63 In 918, and I have a CZ, in 918, that has the best SA trigger Ive ever felt, since the Smith S.S. Model 66, .357 which was accurized, and tweaked by a smith, that was flat out dangerous, hair wasnt the word. Heres a link to it. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. Good on you guys for responding here. It is a compact pistol that is chambered in 9mm and is designed for concealed carry. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. A number of gun companies still produce single-action revolvers. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. And therefore only idiots use it. Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. The practice of empty chamber carry continued with the introduction of magazine-fed, semi-automatic pistols. She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. I asked administrator. Not an appreciable amount of time. Said every one of the people who later came to suffer from glock leg. YouTube it. Do you, punk? the department said it was the pistols fault. My Taurus Millenium G2, basically a glock with a safety, same thing, actions are needed to make it fire. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. They will not fire unless someone puts their finger on the trigger and squeezes. But thats good. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. But thank goodness I dont have to make that choice. And it will ALWAYS stay in its holster right? Do Glocks Have Safeties? [2022] - Minutemanreview.com Still disagree? The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . Being a klutz is one thing. The Top 10 Best Handguns for Carrying (Plus Two Extras, Just in Case) Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . If I feel the urge to admire, use and hold a finely engineered machine I might just as likely pull out and ogle any one of my watches, of my bicycles, of my cars, of my surgical instruments, of my fountain pens or of my firearms. Glock 22 Gen 3 (Photo: Gunprime) The full-size Glock 22 was made to fill the gap between .45 and 9mm. The name's Jordan, but friends call me Jordy. They didnt know. you roll the dice. The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. Yeah, me too. There are any number of guns out there with firing systems that, if dropped, will fire a round under the hammer. But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. Save Share. Carrying One In The Chamber, Continued - The Truth About Guns The Best Glocks | American Firearms Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? Those who defend not carrying a round in the chamber preach about it's safety. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. Place your loaded, chambered G19 into the holster (not attached to your belt). In order to fire, the pin needs to be hit hard enough to continue forward, past the point of contact with the hammer, and then into the primer. If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. Because it has no external safety that means you are only 5 lbs away from making the gun fire. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. For gun owners looking to maximize the life of their firearms, it's important to understand what type of ammunition is acceptable and safe to use in their guns. Absolutely YES!! Glock 26: Everything to Know About the Ultra-Concealable 'Baby Glock' Boy, that must be realllll nice. One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. One other one was very tragic. I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. While I agree its better to have a round in the chamber, I dont, not at the moment. Should You Carry Your Pistol Cocked And Locked? - Gun Digest Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? lol 15 in the clip one in the pipe. A forum community dedicated to Glock Pistol owners and enthusiasts. Height: 5.4. Glock - Wikipedia My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. And that is the key to any methodology, simply having the proper training. The driving analogy is a good one, because we drive so much (most of us, anyway). You've only seen one page. The fix was to add a safety. Nice catch. 1911s are traditionally carried empty chamber (probably a bad idea) or cocked and locked: hammer cocked and slide mounted safety engaged. If you carry a modern pistol with an exposed trigger, you are own your own. Best Glocks: Across Calibers & Sizes [Ultimate Guide] Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. Bet you still get stabbed. . Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. We can talk about home carry vs guns hidden in various locarions in the house. I want something that goes bang when I pull the trigger, and I could care less how heavy or gritty that might be. But still a nice catch. Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. I've carried both extensively. Id have to go with the DA revolver. A S&W Model 329. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? A true DAO trigger that has as much chance of going off in a pocket, or other ND, as a DA revolver does. Whats the big deal? Practice your procedure till it becomes a natural reaction without thinking.You will have other things that must be accessed in those fractions of a second. . . Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. Still no safety. Amen! And yes, I have done trigger work on 2 of my 3 Glocks. But youll likely carry for years and years, manipulating said weapon an uncountable number of times in the process. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. You cant just twitch and accidentally shoot one. Keep your chin up, youll get it eventually. - I'm too old to still think I know everything. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. I carry my Jericho the same way. On one of those occurances, my snubbie bbl. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. Confused fool. 2 you may forget to chamber Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. In that case, the argument that any gun is better than no gun might be correct but thats as far as it goes. Weight: 22.9 oz. Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! Revolvers with their heavy double action trigger pulls are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the . What I meant was: As all who have examined a REGULAR single action revolver, like a Colt SAA or the old three screw Rugers before the transfer bar, would know. Granted, is loading a pistol, a shotgun or a rifle the most complicated thing in the world? I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. Carry without one in the pipe for a while to get used to it. Personally I dont just carry for my own personal defense, but also the defense of my country, my comrades and other citizens. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. While the bad guy is picking up the decoy gun and trying to shoot you with it, you draw your real piece with a round loaded. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. Is It Safe To Carry A Chambered Glock - MonteneGroand Partners Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. Some folks in the comments section raised objections, as they are often wont to do. Mad about covers it. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. . But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. I know some people , maybe most people , will be just fine carrying a Glock with a loaded chamber , but all the reasons people give for not are not 100% wrong either . I can cycle the bolt almost as fast as I can take the safety off, even when I stepped on a black bear who was sleeping under a downed tree. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. Each new design enhanced the pistol and its features. If a person was going to leave a gun in Condition 3, they had better practice loading and firing the pistol, because not doing so just might get them killed. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. And make sure when you holster or unholster that the holster is clear of obstructions. Its decocker is better than a thumb safety. PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. In a SA revolver, the next round is instantly available anyway, whether fully loaded or one short, quicker out of the leather for the first, second, and third shot than any other existing action type. Only ONE centerfire pistol? In that book, they suggest that the proper way to carry a semi . Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. De nada. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. Of course theres a difference between driving and shooting. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. Because of its usefulness and reliability, many police and government agencies adopted this model as their service pistol. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered - Todd Lyons June 2016. Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have .
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